Comments for Panopticon http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net Transparency and surveillance in ePedagogy Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:38:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 Comment on ePanopticon… by Raimo http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/2006/12/08/epanopticon/#comment-49 Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:37:03 +0000 http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/2006/12/08/epanopticon/#comment-49 Yep, but to be more precise, I would like to remind you that even "ePanopticon" ignores the transparency as well. They do it both because the meaning of consept "panopticon" doesn´t include transparency, which in turn is linked to some kind of agreement of "symmetricity". Panopticon is strictly about surveillance, it has nothing to do with openess and equality. It is a prisonhouse, not an option or voluntary act. In practise transparency might turn out to be surveillance, but in that case the practise is not transparency any more - it is surveillance. The question of definitions and the name of our project are not just so called academic problems. I think it bring us to the very point of our project. The edge or border between survaillance and transparency is a crucial one. When, where and why does transparency "slips"- intentionally or not- to survaillance? -Rrrrr- Yep, but to be more precise, I would like to remind you that even “ePanopticon” ignores the transparency as well. They do it both because the meaning of consept “panopticon” doesn´t include transparency, which in turn is linked to some kind of agreement of “symmetricity”.

Panopticon is strictly about surveillance, it has nothing to do with openess and equality. It is a prisonhouse, not an option or voluntary act.

In practise transparency might turn out to be surveillance, but in that case the practise is not transparency any more - it is surveillance.

The question of definitions and the name of our project are not just so called academic problems. I think it bring us to the very point of our project.

The edge or border between survaillance and transparency is a crucial one. When, where and why does transparency “slips”- intentionally or not- to survaillance?

-Rrrrr-

]]> Comment on wiki? by r. http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/2006/12/19/wiki/#comment-38 Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:56:51 +0000 http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/2006/12/19/wiki/#comment-38 Have a look at this: http://panopti.com.onreact.com/swf/index.htm Have a look at this: http://panopti.com.onreact.com/swf/index.htm

]]> Comment on wiki? by christina http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/2006/12/19/wiki/#comment-24 Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:39:40 +0000 http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/2006/12/19/wiki/#comment-24 A big mistery with our wiki... My provider does not save the error logs, so I don't know what has happend. I have looked in several forums and tried to install the wiki new by giving the same database data, but now it is a completely new wiki, without our content. But I have save the old localsettings.php as a backup. I will keep trying. But perhaps you still know, what you had put into the wiki? Because it was not so much and it might be easier to fill it again... I hope you had a nice christmas?! Cheers, Christina A big mistery with our wiki… My provider does not save the error logs, so I don’t know what has happend. I have looked in several forums and tried to install the wiki new by giving the same database data, but now it is a completely new wiki, without our content. But I have save the old localsettings.php as a backup. I will keep trying. But perhaps you still know, what you had put into the wiki? Because it was not so much and it might be easier to fill it again…

I hope you had a nice christmas?!

Cheers,
Christina

]]> Comment on ePanopticon… by Christina http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/2006/12/08/epanopticon/#comment-12 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:39:50 +0000 http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/2006/12/08/epanopticon/#comment-12 Mmh, Raimo, perhaps you are right, that just adding an "e" does not provide much more value... Ralf's Link is interesting - thank you Ralf! - but German... There the title Privacy 2.0 is used, again this 2.0... Your ideas of changing the name in some other kind of ...opticon ignores the very important element of "everybody" and only leaves the surveilling part. But we also focus on transparency and not only surveillance. Panopticon today might work, but it does not show, that we are mainly interested in transparency and surveillance using digital media. I like to stick at least partly to panopticon, having in mind that we are not only researching the threatening part of surveillance but also the overlapping of possibly positive effects of transparency and this mentioned threatening part. ePanopticon for me was a compromise, it is still short and catchy. What about netPanopticon, webPanopticon, digitalPanopticon... all sounds somehow circuitous. Perhaps you can convince me to drop the panopticon... but right now I have not found an alternative. I will further think about it. Mmh, Raimo, perhaps you are right, that just adding an “e” does not provide much more value… Ralf’s Link is interesting - thank you Ralf! - but German… There the title Privacy 2.0 is used, again this 2.0…

Your ideas of changing the name in some other kind of …opticon ignores the very important element of “everybody” and only leaves the surveilling part. But we also focus on transparency and not only surveillance. Panopticon today might work, but it does not show, that we are mainly interested in transparency and surveillance using digital media.

I like to stick at least partly to panopticon, having in mind that we are not only researching the threatening part of surveillance but also the overlapping of possibly positive effects of transparency and this mentioned threatening part.

ePanopticon for me was a compromise, it is still short and catchy. What about netPanopticon, webPanopticon, digitalPanopticon… all sounds somehow circuitous. Perhaps you can convince me to drop the panopticon… but right now I have not found an alternative. I will further think about it.

]]> Comment on wiki? by Christina http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/2006/12/19/wiki/#comment-11 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:18:09 +0000 http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/2006/12/19/wiki/#comment-11 Sorry, the link must be: <a href="http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/Wiki/index.php/Panopticon" title="Wiki" rel="nofollow">http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/Wiki/index.php/Panopticon</a> Sorry, the link must be: http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/Wiki/index.php/Panopticon

]]> Comment on wiki? by Christina http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/2006/12/19/wiki/#comment-10 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:16:22 +0000 http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/2006/12/19/wiki/#comment-10 Strange... you can find the wiki itself, i.e. the application, but only if you try to create a new page via the URL (p.e. <a href="http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/Wiki/Panopticon" title="Wiki" rel="nofollow">http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/Wiki/Panopticon</a>). But the database seems to be broken or something... There is still the database with all columns, but I don't know where our content is?!?! I try to fix it, but at the moment I don't know how... Strange… you can find the wiki itself, i.e. the application, but only if you try to create a new page via the URL (p.e. http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/Wiki/Panopticon). But the database seems to be broken or something… There is still the database with all columns, but I don’t know where our content is?!?! I try to fix it, but at the moment I don’t know how…

]]> Comment on wiki? by r. http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/2006/12/19/wiki/#comment-9 Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:19:29 +0000 http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/2006/12/19/wiki/#comment-9 me neither... me neither…

]]> Comment on ePanopticon… by r. http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/2006/12/08/epanopticon/#comment-8 Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:18:23 +0000 http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/2006/12/08/epanopticon/#comment-8 May be this is interesting for you: http://seminare2.design.fh-aachen.de/privacy/ May be this is interesting for you: http://seminare2.design.fh-aachen.de/privacy/

]]> Comment on ePanopticon… by Raimo http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/2006/12/08/epanopticon/#comment-7 Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:49:34 +0000 http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/2006/12/08/epanopticon/#comment-7 That´s very good and relevant point Christina. Even if the analogical equipments are still widely in use, we are mainly working in e-world within this project. But do we get any ad value with "e" ? I mean electricity as such is nothing exclusively belonging to the social networking. Of course it denotates to web based products and servises, eBay, email, ePedagogy, but still...e sounds so 1990s. 2.0. would be better as you self suggest but it surely lacks a clear meaning. And Web1.0 included most of those "panoptical" tools you mentioned: I mean we have been leaving our traces from the very beginng of computer age. I started mine in 1994. But the topic you raised is attractive indeed; Anyway, I do agree that the name of our project is not good ;-( What about blogopticon, blopticon or blogopticom, and why not netopticon, webopticon, panopticon today, life of traces, lookin at yourself.... That´s very good and relevant point Christina. Even if the analogical equipments are still widely in use, we are mainly working in e-world within this project.

But do we get any ad value with “e” ? I mean electricity as such is nothing exclusively belonging to the social networking. Of course it denotates to web based products and servises, eBay, email, ePedagogy, but still…e sounds so 1990s.

2.0. would be better as you self suggest but it surely lacks a clear meaning. And Web1.0 included most of those “panoptical” tools you mentioned: I mean we have been leaving our traces from the very beginng of computer age. I started mine in 1994.

But the topic you raised is attractive indeed;
Anyway, I do agree that the name of our project is not good ;-(

What about blogopticon, blopticon or blogopticom, and why not netopticon, webopticon, panopticon today, life of traces, lookin at yourself….

]]> Comment on How does it feel to make personal studies transparent? by Jaap Jansen http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/2006/12/08/how-does-it-feel-to-make-personal-studies-transparent/#comment-6 Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:56:52 +0000 http://panopticon.ferngespraech.net/2006/12/08/how-does-it-feel-to-make-personal-studies-transparent/#comment-6 I think privacy is essential, but equal to normal classroom privacy. Protecting individual facts is an important issue. I think we have to orientate on goals and challenges in this study. This would stimulate collaborative learning. In my opnion it's essential to communicate in a learning environment like ours not only on the formal matters, but also on informal happenings etc...! Surveillance in this a real problem, but I think we have to close the community in that sense to the participants of the learning environment...! I think privacy is essential, but equal to normal classroom privacy. Protecting individual facts is an important issue. I think we have to orientate on goals and challenges in this study. This would stimulate collaborative learning.

In my opnion it’s essential to communicate in a learning environment like ours not only on the formal matters, but also on informal happenings etc…!

Surveillance in this a real problem, but I think we have to close the community in that sense to the participants of the learning environment…!

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